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FireLeaf's avatar

I find myself struggling with wanting to subscribe to a absolutist view, but stopping myself short of too many what ifs. I think Holmes "clear and present danger" test is overbroad and places too many restrictions on wartime speech. I understand the government's interest in avoiding disorder during times of war, but Americans' free speech should not trampled because of the choices government leaders make in spite of citizens wishes. If anything, a time of war should encourage Americans to be outspoken and voice their opinions to the government/others. The government is supposed to reflect our interests and values, yet it seeks to limit speech at arguably the most important time Americans' voices should be heard. We see what happens in other countries when speech is second rate to a government's interests to protect from unrest like the Tiananmen Square Massacre. I find the "incitement" test is a step in the right direction from the "clear and present danger" test. The "incitement" test better safeguards individuals who's speech may unintentionally incite people into lawless action. Sometimes people have emotional outcries that were never meant to cause harm, but instead were meant to vent frustrations. Often the line is can be easy to draw in cases were people directly call people to commit acts of violence. Regardless we are still in a situation where different judges can come to very different conclusions on what speech is likely to incite imminent lawless action and was intended to do so.

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Genevieve C's avatar

I really resonate with Preston’s sentiment of contradiction and going too far in an absolutist view of the first amendment. I find myself more convinced by an anti-categorical argument and more inclined to take a very context based approach. I can’t remember which justice offered this approach now, but I do feel that it’s about as fair as it could get in balancing the competing interests that people have on this issue. It also ties back to another post about when the courts get decisions wrong, and a question that was posed about whose responsibility it is to set the record straight or how we can even go about seeing through the falsehoods spread that allow for the construction and employment of concentration camps. I feel the same way here as I did there. While we might feel very little faith in our current Supreme Court justices to go forth on a path of fair and honest truth, I think we all need to engage in the very deep and difficult critique of what “worst case” we want to be protected in when it comes to free speech. Where would you want the line drawn for yourself? Would you want to be able to say Eat the Rich at a rally and not end up in court with a charge of inciting violence towards rich people who live in the buildings people protest outside of? I understand that, on the left especially, we can see our actions as nonviolent and nonthreatening, but if people want to offer a standard for limiting speech I think we need to be REALLY sure that it can’t be reapplied in a way that limits speech with the best of intentions. In a perfect world, the context based approach works in favor *whoever’s* ideological view, and it seems like the best option, but it relies too much on judges and justices to get the “truth” right, and I’m not willing to bank on that.

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