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Abdullah Mahmood's avatar

The framing of incitement law as being "less about danger than about trust" was the part that stuck with me. I think I had been reading Brandenburg as basically a risk calculation, how bad is the harm and how soon is it coming, so it was useful to see it described instead as a question about what we are willing to tolerate from each other. It also made Hess click for me. Saying "later" is not really a finding about whether a riot was about to happen, it is the Court deciding not to punish someone for being angry. Coming from Canada, this is still the part of American law I find hardest to get used to. We criminalize wilful promotion of hatred and Keegstra upheld that, so the idea that the Constitution does not demand civility would not really work there. I am not sure yet which system I think gets it right. But it does seem like the American rule only holds together if you assume a society stable enough to absorb the anger, and that assumption is doing a lot of work.

Shawn Roche's avatar

I agree strongly with the Brandenburg standard. We had discussed the shortcomings of Hand (indirect threats and calls to violence) and Holmes (political leaders being imprisoned). The combination of incitement + imminence strikes a good balance at protecting all speech, popular and unpopular, without meaningfully interfering with the rights of others.

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